tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post27627415515269816..comments2024-03-20T00:16:36.264-07:00Comments on 2nd Sex: The Falling FlowersLillie Yifuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10647849826458298630noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-2296572537729604422009-12-30T16:11:36.953-08:002009-12-30T16:11:36.953-08:00Lillie,
The mists of avalon glimpse open to becko...Lillie,<br /><br />The mists of avalon glimpse open to beckon and tease us with what lies beyond the veil. <br /><br />Your post comes to me so late, yet is so apt and timely more than 2 years later. In those 2 years, voice was just coming and now I am looking for the path to balance me. I wish not to be treated as if not there merely out of discourtesy not role-play... out of some snide technological superiority -- as if lending voice provides the ultimate in nuance and action. <br /><br />"How sharper than a serpent's tooth, it is to have a thankless child" said Shakespeare's Lear. The poet and the playwright, the mystic and the scribe create the world to be acted as these words appear on the page and then in the mind. <br /><br />Thank you for your poetry of ideas and dreams...I will continue searching and adapting SL in vox-absentia or vox-elective.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16753680358715909576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-18699071104755287492007-07-06T10:00:00.000-07:002007-07-06T10:00:00.000-07:00I am arriving to the Second Life world at a histor...I am arriving to the Second Life world at a historic time. I have only used voice twice on Second Life so far. For me it shifts the focus - like reading a book and then looking up and finding the author right there telling me the story. <BR/><BR/>You are not a failed poet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-5200418450331226232007-07-06T09:27:00.000-07:002007-07-06T09:27:00.000-07:00Welcome! And feel free to dive right in!Welcome! And feel free to dive right in!Lillie Yifuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10647849826458298630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-86532564175499354022007-07-06T09:14:00.000-07:002007-07-06T09:14:00.000-07:00We have visited your blog and we it find of pleasa...We have visited your blog and we it find of pleasant mas, thanks and regards from Reus - Catalonia - SpainJobove - Reushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15325521409416734011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-74842595744677125212007-07-06T08:06:00.000-07:002007-07-06T08:06:00.000-07:00I think you will find that those same people are a...I think you will find that those same people are already badly behaved, and already pressure people to reveal things like, say, their home phone number or send real pictures. At least, I get many of them.<BR/><BR/>The problem lies not in the interpenetration, but in how a certain group of people roam loose over sl, without any form of social restriction or pressure. But then, they are all over the internet.<BR/><BR/>If they weren't harrassing you over voice, it would be over cam, or pictures, or something else that they want as "proof" that it is safe for them to engage in sexual harassment and abuse to get you into bed with them.<BR/><BR/>Dealing with these people is an important task for sl. Can you imagine your mother or grandmother bouncing into SL to see some event, only to have a playdope start the ASL dance with her and sending a texture of his cock?Lillie Yifuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10647849826458298630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-16813082174142036882007-07-06T06:15:00.000-07:002007-07-06T06:15:00.000-07:00Like with anything, a culture of "acceptable use" ...Like with anything, a culture of "acceptable use" will grow around this feature.<BR/><BR/>Many people I know don't care about my reluctance to use voice. But, many very immature people (usually 18-25 year olds) think that anyone who doesn't use the voice feature is automatically a fraud.<BR/><BR/>The first group far outweighs the second, but it is, honestly, the second that worries me. I didn't come to SL to be judged by people. I came to have fun. I didn't come to SL to be pressured by people to reveal my RL identity, I came to be anonymous and to be whoever I wanted.<BR/><BR/>As for what theshadow said, it's a very real fear. LL has sort of done a bait and switch... they got people to come into SL for a "Second Life" and then makes it "ooh... now you've got to reveal your real selves or be ostracized" after they have already invested lots of time and money into this virtual world.<BR/><BR/>It's heart wrenching that LL has taken so little care.<BR/><BR/>Kind Regards,<BR/>Anony Mouse<BR/>"Catch me if you can."Anonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12338486274690320117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-30248782120706799472007-07-06T05:46:00.000-07:002007-07-06T05:46:00.000-07:00Yes it is the intrusiveness of voice, and the pote...Yes it is the intrusiveness of voice, and the potential for destruction in rl which holds people back from voice. <BR/><BR/>"It is not people who don't have a real life who have built the old sl, but ones who do."<BR/><BR/>Many married women escort, and their husbands are fine with sex play in text, because that is not real, but draw the line at voice. I've talked to more than one married escort doing vox now whose husbands will be in the room while they play text, but not while they work vox. <BR/><BR/>People pay real money for real, and voice is real. But it is also just that, real.<BR/><BR/>Old SL is the demi-monde, the floating world. It will inter-mix with voice, but it cannot become too "real" or else it simply becomes another advertising channel for an already existing pornography industry. And that is precisely what people want to avoid here. They don't want to make it with girls who are churning out product, but with "the girl next door," whose hidden desires have boiled out over the barriers of real life, and into here.Lillie Yifuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10647849826458298630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-22865703088118650262007-07-06T04:51:00.000-07:002007-07-06T04:51:00.000-07:00I have a good reason I should be worried to about ...I have a good reason I should be worried to about using voice, and it's one that probably more than a few others have on SL that will keep me from ever using it by itself (without doing something to modify the voice). What is that?<BR/><BR/>My RL Job.<BR/><BR/>Why you may ask is this such a big concern...? Well in SL I sell 'myself' out to whoever can afford me, but in RL I work at a school... I really don't want to lose my job and somehow I think the scandal that could happen if anyone I know would happen to recognize me (or the blackmail they could try to force me into) are to great a risk...<BR/><BR/>I'm sure I'm not alone in this kind of situation where my SL activities could be held against me in RL...theshadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16488523944136673606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-2636693249613360292007-07-05T20:02:00.000-07:002007-07-05T20:02:00.000-07:00Lillie,I couldn't agree with you more, at least wi...Lillie,<BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree with you more, at least with respect to the SL voice feature. <BR/><BR/>It was implemented clumsily and in a rush. It's been done this way basically because Linden Lab wanted to make a quick buck from the companies that are demanding it.<BR/><BR/>But, think about it for a moment: are they destroying the virtual world in order to save it? I believe that they are.<BR/><BR/>Will SL lose some people over this? Certainly. Most of them will, however, persist... or find ways to adapt to the change or, in some cases, ignore the change entirely.<BR/><BR/>I believe that you're right about the worlds co-existing. They will because they will have to. Because neither will go away. I believe that there will be places where SL voice chat is the norm and places where text is the norm. And, certainly people using both are going to have to get used to co-existing with one another.<BR/><BR/>I, further, believe that people who don't want to use the voice feature will still come to SL for the same reason that people still use IRC, Yahoo/AIM and MSN with text-only. Lacking the normal cues and inputs people have for speaking, it will be difficult to communicate via voice. It will be like being on the phone and this is a feeling I think that many people will start to shy away from it except with close friends.<BR/><BR/>I, personally, avoid using the phone as much as possible. I prefer text. I have many friends whom I've spoken to on IRC and, also, have spoken to them on the phone. I, frankly, prefer talking to them via text. For me, it's best because I have a log. With the voice feature I will have none.<BR/><BR/>There are several ways the people of "old SL" as you call it can adapt to this:<BR/><BR/>1) Voice alteration -- done well it's pretty convincing in either M2F or F2M cases.... in both cases, the user, of course, needs to meet the software halfway as mentioned in one of my previous posts.<BR/><BR/>2) Voice synthesis -- it is possible to simply "voice" with a text-to-speech synthesizer instead of with your real voice... problem solved.<BR/><BR/>I don't plan on using the voice feature, although I will keep it on to listen for people talking about me, I simply will never have a mic present and, if I do ever use it, it will be using the technique mentioned in #1 or #2 above so that it's not recognized. <BR/><BR/>As long as they don't try to pressure me to talk and call me a fraud if I don't, I don't care. The latest crop of intolerance in SL is really starting to become grating. <BR/><BR/>Men and women great and small have always tried to predict the future with limited success. I sincerely hope your vision of co-existence is the correct one as that would give SL the best of both worlds.<BR/><BR/>Very truly yours,<BR/>Anony Mouse<BR/>"Catch me if you can"Anonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12338486274690320117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-84505626906588066322007-07-05T17:44:00.000-07:002007-07-05T17:44:00.000-07:00Another great one LillieAnother great one LillieJazon Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653766895389057316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8535237502203989352.post-21453059343163606392007-07-05T14:11:00.000-07:002007-07-05T14:11:00.000-07:00Sigh. I like to think that when our posts entwine ...Sigh. I like to think that when our posts entwine there is a complementary factor, that deepens the facts given for the other. <BR/><BR/>But you hadn't leaved anything for me to say *smiles*, even if I'll try.<BR/><BR/>Your post has been beautifull, and a bit sad; it strongly evocates the withering of flowers.London Spenglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381079971368238015noreply@blogger.com