Saturday, August 16, 2008

Barny Thursday: The kind of person who tries the insult scam.

He specifically wanted this made public.

[21:03] Lillie Yifu: hihi
[21:03] Barny Thursday: hello
[21:03] Lillie Yifu: how may I help you?
[21:03] Barny Thursday: so...what do I have to pay upfront to get 22k a month tier?
[21:05] Lillie Yifu: 22 k tier is 60K set up andfirst month, or 82k move in. You can name the sim, specify exactly where it goes, and your tier will be fixed at a cosntnat level above ll fees for an ilsnad
[21:05] Lillie Yifu: plus money moving costs.
[21:05] Lillie Yifu: also we apply for EO for you immediately
[21:06] Barny Thursday: ouch
[21:06] Lillie Yifu: It costs us 250 USD to make an island dear
[21:06] Barny Thursday: sure....but why are there others charging so much less?
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: no one is charging so much less dear
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: I check all the prices
[21:07] Barny Thursday: hmmm
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: what it is is everyone plays a game
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: they tell you one price with a high tier as move in
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: and then they tell you another tier price with a higher set up
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: go and ask around
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: don't takemy word for it
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: bella's lowest tier is 25K
[21:07] Lillie Yifu: for a higher set up
[21:08] Barny Thursday: have seen some for L$30,000 land price and L$25,000 monthly tier
[21:08] Barny Thursday: seems like that would be less for a long time
[21:08] Lillie Yifu: our price at that level is 25/25
[21:08] Barny Thursday: so then to get the extra 3k a month, I have to spend another 45k?
[21:09] Lillie Yifu: because ll charges 75k
[21:09] Lillie Yifu: 75 USD a month
[21:09] Lillie Yifu: every dollar of tier reduction comes straight out of the land holder
[21:09] Lillie Yifu: so yes
[21:09] Barny Thursday: yes....but its only 3k difference you are saying....that would take 15 months to make up
[21:10] Lillie Yifu: at lower levels no one promises not to change your tier
[21:10] Lillie Yifu: we offer a range or prices
[21:11] Barny Thursday: I could understand something like 45/ 22......
[21:11] Lillie Yifu: we'd enver pay ofr the island at that point dear
[21:11] Barny Thursday: but not 60/22
[21:11] Barny Thursday: you would just as fast as 25,25
[21:11] Barny Thursday: in fact faster
[21:11] Lillie Yifu: 22k is 80 USD after fees
[21:11] Barny Thursday: not sure if we are on the same wave length
[21:11] Lillie Yifu: or 5 USD a month over what ll charges us
[21:11] Barny Thursday: better deals out there
[21:12] Lillie Yifu: the go and find them dear
[21:12] Lillie Yifu: but you are wrong
[21:12] Lillie Yifu: for the large land dealers
[21:13] Lillie Yifu: they will charge you higher prices than I quote you
[21:13] Lillie Yifu: you can get lower prices fo contienntal sims with restrictions
[21:13] Barny Thursday: tell you you deal out on a notecard....with a comparison of your price points
[21:13] Lillie Yifu: many people find this a good bargain
[21:13] Barny Thursday: make it make sense, and we can talk
[21:13] Barny Thursday: otherwise you are doing the same thing they are
[21:13] Barny Thursday: a line of crap
[21:13] Lillie Yifu: actually I do have a price list
[21:14] Lillie Yifu: let me give it to you
[21:14] Lillie Yifu: well I'm not renting to you. I don't rent to people who insult me, they only cause trouble
[21:14] Lillie Yifu: beijos
[21:14] Lillie Yifu: this conversation is over
[21:14] Barny Thursday: and btw.....was even someone selling for L$1 and 25k a month yesterday
[21:14] Lillie Yifu: hmmmm
[21:15] Barny Thursday: I missed the deal.....and they sould like they don't speak much english
[21:15] Lillie Yifu: yes I get peopel who come to me after taking up on things like that
[21:15] Barny Thursday: Zwelt or something
[21:15] Lillie Yifu: yes that was dumping a contientnal sim with restrictions
[21:15] Barny Thursday: ZVelt.....hell I don't know
[21:15] Lillie Yifu: their usual rate is 1000L or 450L and 29999
[21:15] Barny Thursday: isn't that was yours is?
[21:15] Lillie Yifu: Ben Schumann
[21:15] Lillie Yifu: not his isn't interior
[21:15] Lillie Yifu: and it comes with EM
[21:15] Barny Thursday: yours is not standalone
[21:16] Lillie Yifu: but then this isn't being charged at my stand alone rate
[21:16] Lillie Yifu: and it isn't what someone ordering a new sim would get
[21:16] Lillie Yifu: so sicne you are so convinced that there are better deals
[21:16] Lillie Yifu: i will leave you to find them
[21:16] Lillie Yifu: good bye
[21:16] Barny Thursday: sounds lke a plan
[21:16] Lillie Yifu laughs
[21:17] Lillie Yifu: there are people who match our prices
[21:17] Lillie Yifu: Kalyra heartt is reliable and does
[21:17] Barny Thursday: you just never know when you might say the wrong thing to the right person.....
[21:17] Barny Thursday: best advice? cordial or don't say anything at all
[21:17] Lillie Yifu: best advice dear
[21:17] Lillie Yifu: do your worst dear
[21:17] Lillie Yifu: you've made an enemmy
[21:18] Lillie Yifu: because I don't respond well to insults and threats
[21:18] Lillie Yifu: so do it
[21:18] Lillie Yifu: or shut up
[21:18] Barny Thursday: so then you won't mind if somthing like this makes it way public?
[21:18] Lillie Yifu: I will do it for you
[21:18] Lillie Yifu: right now
[21:18] Barny Thursday: where at?
[21:18] Barny Thursday: SLUniverse good for you?
[21:19] Barny Thursday: and .....don't change the names either
[21:19] Barny Thursday: let them see who are really are
[21:19] Lillie Yifu: SL Universe
[21:19] Lillie Yifu: ah yes
[21:19] Lillie Yifu: I have an accoutn there
[21:19] Barny Thursday: put it up :)
[21:19] Lillie Yifu: let's see one person who adverstised sims there dumped them all the next week
[21:19] Lillie Yifu: i got two of his tenants
[21:20] Barny Thursday: what has that got to do with this chat?
[21:20] Barny Thursday: and your demenor?
[21:20] Barny Thursday: its as if you _really_ don
[21:20] Barny Thursday: don't care how unprofessional you are
[21:21] Lillie Yifu: A great deal
[21:21] Lillie Yifu: because I know what I am talking about, and you don't
[21:21] Lillie Yifu: many people come to me quoting false prices
[21:21] Barny Thursday: post it
[21:21] Lillie Yifu: or prices for things that don't work out
[21:21] Lillie Yifu: and then try and insult me to lower mine
[21:21] Barny Thursday: you need to check out the competition more
[21:21] Lillie Yifu: you aren't the first scammer I have seen
[21:22] Lillie Yifu: dear I check them all the time
[21:22] Barny Thursday: not sure if I insulted you at all.....did I?
[21:22] Lillie Yifu: yes you did
[21:22] Barny Thursday: well...if you are that thinned skinned, perhaps you are in the wrong line of work
[21:22] Barny Thursday: never even called you a name
[21:22] Barny Thursday: you shouldn't take thing so personally
[21:23] Lillie Yifu: You are also a liar
[21:23] Lillie Yifu: let me add that to the post
[21:23] Lillie Yifu: it really works
[21:23] Barny Thursday: I will look for it :D

So there it is. I liked the part after insulting me and threatneingme he tells me not to take things personally. My belief is you should never rent to people like this, because they only cause problems. If it means a sim sits a few days, then the sim sits a few days, and that's life in real estate.

We check prices. There are a few people who match ours who are reliable - I mentioned one to him.

My suspicion is that this is another land dealer's alt.

Right now Ben Schumann, after having stacked up a huge number of sims, is dumping several of them at 25K per month. People should, if they like dealing with him, snap these up. But you have to ask yourself how long that is going to work out, because at 25K a month, it will take him 8 months of tier to make the sim back. And right now he needs the money, because he has huge numbers of sims up.

And note for Barny, the math impaired shouldn't shop for land. The difference between 60K and 25K is 35K, which takes about a year to make up, not 15 months. No I'm not going to go over to SLUniverse and engage in a flame war with you, there's a reason why I stopped going to forums, and that is that there's lots of drama, but not much money to be made.


  1. Lillie,
    Don't do it in world, that's all. Alt... this much L$, that much L$... SIM sales are a RL affair.
    Sometimes I wonder how much time it will take for the businesses to realize that THERE IS NO WAY to conduct business with anonymous... mmm... creatures. Especially there is not way to establish ongoing relationships = CONTRACTS.

  2. Lille,

    I love your blog, but I have to agree with Barny on this one. You can be a little thin skinned and emotional sometimes. Nothing wrong with that as it doesn't take away from your character. I'm just saying that he never insulted you. What he did do was challange you on your prices as would any good buyer would do. It's not an insult to you as a seller. I don't know much about land sales and even less about what you guys were talking about in this chat log. But you mentioned at some point that you get a lot of people like this challenging you. I have an as he suggested. Make your own notecard detailing and comparing your prices against your competition (if thats possible). Then you can shut no-it-all buyers down with that instead of a 20 minute arguments that lead nowhere.